Is this legal??

[JKW]

Is this legal????


http://hostauctioneer.com/item.php?id=81482f1c51ec50adf9382928fed8ba69


Because it's very cheap :)


JKW

[chuckd]

They're also a little misleading on what's included with the license. I assume by "full technical support" they mean 90 days technical support... (Like the DA-bought license.)

[ProWebUK]

Unless the seller is actually DirectAdmin (John / Mark) the legitimacy of the auction im assuming would depend on the type of license it was sold as.

If it was sold directly as a lifetime license with a genuine value of $299 USD i would assume its perfectly legal.

If the license was sold through DirectAdmin as a lifetime license under the internal pricing structure (with an approved internal partner) i would assume its against the DirectAdmin agreement.

As stated on the pricing page; 'Internal licenses must always be sold with a server (reselling the licenses by themselves is not permitted)'

From the look of things, it is either John or Mark who have placed the offer, or it is likely to be an internal license sold against the agreement set by DirectAdmin... To be honest i cant really see a $299 license being sold for $99....

The only one who can confirm this is legal / illegal are the DirectAdmin staff and im sure either way they will do what they need.

Chris

[hostpc.com]

I'm confused... I'd love to get a $99 license... but something doesn't sound right here. How is this possible?

[ProWebUK]

internal licenses go from $49 up to $89 for lifetime if you install - my reasoning for thinking if its not John or Mark, then its internal, As stated in my previous post - the only people who can say if its legal or not would be Mark and / or John.

Chris

[D9R]

I'm confused too but that's a normal state of mind for me.

[The Prohacker]

If its a true up and up deal... I might just have to buy one :D

[DirectAdmin Sales]

Sorry for not responding earlier guys -- they are valid licenses and come with the same thing as if you paid $299 for them. It is a promotional offer to help kickstart hostauctioneer.com.

If you win the auction, you still deal with us.

Mark

[hostpc.com]

and they don't have to be used there? they can be used anyplace??

[ProWebUK]

I'd guess its an offer made by directadmin to help out with hostauctioneer which as a lot of you probably know is run by two-a-t who is a member here and a customer of DirectAdmin. As thats the case id guess its for Host-Auctioneer ONLY and the offer not to be passed on, although once again we will need Mark or John to confirm this.

Chris

[Two_A_T]

Seller : DirectAdmin

That shoulda been their first clue :D

Yes, everyone, Mark and John were kind enough to offer some special priced licenses on the site both to help generate some additional traffic and to gain more traffic to DA from the 3 issues of advertising that the auction site is going to have in Ping! Zine starting with the November issue that should be in mailbox's next week.

So, it's a double purpose offering. More traffic to HostAuctioneer.com and more traffic from magazine readers to DA.

But, now that the cat's outta the bag, I hope there are still some of the DA listings left when the magazine hits! Otherwise the idea behind them drawing more traffic to DA will be kinda mute point! I have a feeling after the smoke clears, there won't be any left 24 hours from now except the one license being offered at auction with NO RESERVE :D

I've said this to them in person but I'll say it here as well.. thanks Mark and John. Just add this to the things that make you guys and DA better than any of the others.. I guarantee none of the others would do something like this to help one of their client's get more traffic!

:)

[DirectAdmin Sales]

And just to clarify, you can do whatever you wish with the license, short of reselling it to someone else. If you bid on it, the license should be for personal use.

Mark

[hostpc.com]

Subject Auction closed - you win!

Ok, I took the plunge. Where do I pay, and how do I get the license? There's nothing in the e-mail concerning it.

[ProWebUK]

Now its been confirmed im happy to start the bidding... and have done... ready to go up as other bids come in :D

Chris

[Two_A_T]

hostpc.com,

Please contact me via IM (listed in my profile) about your bids. You actually bid on 2 copies of DA and we need to do something about the 2nd one since you are only allowed 1 of these licenses.

[Two_A_T]

Good luck on the listing you bid on, Chris :)

That listing should be very interesting since it's a NO RESERVE listing and could go for any price depending on who bids against you! :D

[Two_A_T]

I should clarify this for everyone:

If you click on one of the $99 "Buy Now" listings and just place a bid, it cancels the "Buy Now" option and turns the listing into a regular auction to the highest bidder.

If you want to take advantage of the "Buy Now" price, you MUST click the "Buy Now" icon to do so. That is the ONLY way to get the license at the $99 price.

Happy bidding!

[interfasys]

This biding system is strange.
I only got a confirmation email. I don't have the feeling that I just won the auction since I did not pay yet.

Do we have to wait for the seller to contact us?

[ProWebUK]

The payment doesnt go through host auctioneer. I would suggest either contacting Two-A-T or directadmin regarding it :)

Chris

[interfasys]

I have been contacted in the mean time =)

[netmotiv8]

I purchased Lifetime license last week, can i get a refund and then bid on hostauctioneer.com ??? :D

I see Pro Web UK was quick off the mark with 0.01 bid :D

[ProWebUK]

I actually bidded $5 as a start to get things moving.... have no idea why its showing as 0.01..... when i try to bid again it says im the winner and cant make a bid lower than my last!

Theres my excuse for you :D

Chris

[netmotiv8]

I am now highest bidder :D

Think i will lay off now for about 18 days to see how auction is going! :D

[netmotiv8]

It classes your last bid as your maximum bid but will only increment the bid on screen to the current maximum and until someone meets or beats your maximum bid the system will auto bid up to the maximum for you...... i think that looks like how it works :D

[ProWebUK]

not sure if im liking this... says minimum bid is $6.50 on the right, make a bid of $6.50

says my bid is not high enough to be the highest bidder - minimum is $8.50. Enter another bid @ $8.50 - unfortunately your bid is not the highest bidder do you wish to make another bid - now with a minimum of $9.50!..

[netmotiv8]

i'll let you into a secret a put a bid in of 10.00 thats why you bid aint high enough ;)

[ProWebUK]

that answers my problem... will try 11 now :D

[netmotiv8]

git :D

[netmotiv8]

well thats enough fun for 1 day :D

[Two_A_T]

Originally posted by ProWebUK
The payment doesnt go through host auctioneer. I would suggest either contacting Two-A-T or directadmin regarding it :)

Chris

Correct on the first part :)

If you win an auction or use the "Buy Now" option to win, you will be sent an email by the site telling you that you have won and giving you the seller's contact email. The seller is also sent an email giving them your contact info.

From there it's between the seller and the buyer to settle payment just like it would be on eBay or any other auction site. The actual money transactions are between you (buyer & seller).

HostAuctioneer.com is only involved in money transactions if money is due to the site for the listing services itself (IE listing upgrades, final value fee, etc) OR if the auction was listed by HostAuctioneer (such as the banner rotation slot auction currently listed).

Hope that clarifies it :)

Thanks to all of you for signing up and getting involved in the DirectAdmin listings. We hope you'll stick around and use the site even after those are gone!

Here's a little advance notice to any of you who may want to create your own listings and sell something - Starting with the November issue, which should be arriving in mail boxes some time next week, HostAuctioneer.com will be running 1/2 page ads in Ping! Zine magazine and we are expecting a major increase in traffic to the site (Ping! Zine has over 14,000 print subscribers!). So, now is the time to post your offers and get them in front of the new traffic we're expecting (Like DirectAdmin did!)!

If you have any questions about the process and selling on the site, contact me and I'll be happy to go over it with you!

To find out more about Ping! Zine magazine, go here: http://pingzine.com

[teedee]

Well I was one of the first to grab one and Mark contacted me in about 5 mins regarding Payment. I was thinking about trying DA but was not really sure as I have 32 CPanel servers online right now but the $99 persuaded me to try it on 1 server. (Just got to wait for it to arrive on Mon / tue now before installation....)

TD

[hostpc.com]

same here - I'd love to be able to leave positive feedback - but the feedback system at HA isn't working yet.

Joe

[Two_A_T]

Originally posted by hostpc.com
same here - I'd love to be able to leave positive feedback - but the feedback system at HA isn't working yet.

Joe

It is working.

I just tested it and it's working fine for me. I posted positive feedback on DirectAdmin.

What problem or error did you have when attempting to leave feedback?

[hostpc.com]

No closed auctions - nothing to reply to...

[Two_A_T]

Originally posted by hostpc.com
No closed auctions - nothing to reply to...

1) Log into you HA account.

2) After you log in, you are taken to your "User's control panel" screen. From there you click "Sellers Contact Info" in the right column (2nd from the bottom).

3) That will show you the sellers of any auctions you won and should show the "Buy Now" listing. From there, click the actual listing link "Special $99 DirectAdmin lifetime license! *BUY NOW*" and it will take you to the actual listing you won which will say "CLOSED".

4) From there if you click on DirectAdmin's seller name it should take you to DirectAdmin/Mark's info screen.

5) Click "Leave Feedback" from there and it should allow you to do it. NOTE: It will ask for your login name and password on the top of the feedback form. This must be put in exactly the same way you log into your account on the site or it will not accept it. Even though you are already logged in, it asks again to verify your account.

Because the site only allows you to leave feedback on sellers that you have actually won auctions from, you have to access the feedback from the actual listing that you won. And you can only do that from your control panel and the listings you won since those listings are closed and no longer active. It keeps people from leaving false feedback on someone that they didn't actually have any dealings with.

That should take care of it. Let me know if you still have any problems! :)

Note: Remember, the site does have a "Help Section" which you can access both via the top menu bar which should be on every page and via the "Help Column" on the right side of the main page. The help section should give answers for most things. The section for "Feedback" is under the "General" topic. :)

[JKW]

Why isn't possible to buy the $99 license anymore???

I can only bid on the license

JKW

[ProWebUK]

As mentioned somewhere in this thread, with the 'buy now' bids you can click the 'buy now' option or make a normal bid on the item. If you make a normal bid the item will be put up as a normal bid and the 'buy now' button removed.

Chris

[Two_A_T]

Originally posted by JKW
Why isn't possible to buy the $99 license anymore???

I can only bid on the license

JKW
All of the $99 "Buy Now" licenses that were listed have been taken. All that is left is 2 "No Reserve" listings that will go to the highest bidder at the end of the time frame they are listed for.

One of those 2 WAS a "Buy Now" but because someone placed a regular bid and didn't click the "Buy Now" button, it voided the "Buy Now" option and made it a regular auction with no reserve.

Hope that clarifies :)

[Two_A_T]

Just a note to anyone interested in this DA license....

http://www.hostauctioneer.com/item.php?id=a50e28d4a33e58713d4e06724b31287b&

Current bid is only $27.50 USD and the auction ends in less than 12 hours!

No Reserve... will be sold to the highest bidder! Place your bid now if you want the cheapest DA lifetime license ever! ;)

I don't know if Mark & John will offer any others this cheap!

EDIT: Remember- If you have already won one of the DA auction listings on this site (Including "Buy Now" listings), you can not win another one. These are promotional offers by Mark & John and each person/company is only allowed to have 1 license under these offers. If you already have a license from these offers, please do not bid on any other DA licenses there. Unless Mark or John give notice otherwise, this limit is still in place

[Two_A_T]

For those of you that missed out on the DA listings above, here's a treat for you in case you haven't noticed already...

http://www.hostauctioneer.com/browse.php?id=253

And this is something new:

http://www.hostauctioneer.com/item.php?id=606a688323ef152d6082a758da4211ff

:D

[UltimeWWW]

I bought the life-time license :D

[DirectAdmin Sales]

I sold the life-time license :D

[Two_A_T]

I provided the auction site for the lifetime license(s) :D

(and there's still some there! ;) )

[UltimeWWW]

We are happy :D

[ProWebUK]

Originally posted by UltimeWWW
I bought the life-time license :D


Originally posted by DirectAdmin Sales
I sold the life-time license :D


Originally posted by Two_A_T
I provided the auction site for the lifetime license(s)

I witnessed these unusual last 3 posts :D

[Two_A_T]

Just to keep everyone updated, there are still 3 "No Reserve" licenses up for grabs:

http://www.hostauctioneer.com/item.php?id=23b9fc1a561331810492064bf26ead0d
Current bid: 51.00 USD

http://www.hostauctioneer.com/item.php?id=13d908ee5444186dd059ce9b8f2392ef
Current bid: 50.00 USD

http://www.hostauctioneer.com/item.php?id=2c0103160cb2c1a83c5491d36d07c1ff
Current bid: 53.00 USD

They end in roughly 5 days and I Don't know if Mark will be offering any more after these are gone so be sure to get your bids in before then!

[interfasys]

There will be a heated battle on the last day ;)

[Two_A_T]

Originally posted by interfasys
There will be a heated battle on the last day ;)
I am expecting that..

The last no reserve license that was listed jumped from $27.25 to $166.00 on the last day and had a total of 81 bids.

Bidding wars can be fun to watch... and there's going to be 3 of them! :D

Just remember.. each person/company is allowed to have only 1 of these licenses so don't get carried away and put high bids on all of them! ;)

[Two_A_T]

Only 2 days 16 hours left! ;)

[Two_A_T]

Only 12hrs 30min left on all 3!

Time to start getting your bids in! :D

http://www.hostauctioneer.com/item.php?id=23b9fc1a561331810492064bf26ead0d
Current bid: 81.00 USD

http://www.hostauctioneer.com/item.php?id=13d908ee5444186dd059ce9b8f2392ef
Current bid: 96.00 USD

http://www.hostauctioneer.com/item.php?id=2c0103160cb2c1a83c5491d36d07c1ff
Current bid: 71.00 USD

[Two_A_T]

The suspense is killing me...

only 33 min left!! :D

[interfasys]

All gone =)

[Two_A_T]

The winners definately got great deals!

Congrats to the winners!

[Two_A_T]

This thread seems to escape death when you least expect it!!

I've got a secret for everyone....

not gonna say what it is....

but if you can find the hidden link in this thread....

you can figure out the secret!

So search HIGH and LOW....

And look where you'd least expect it!

The reward could be worth it! :D (http://www.hostauctioneer.com/active_auctions.php?user_id=0cc1fa21981bb2f804adb0ae4d8091a3)

And, just to let you know... the links in my sig below are not it! (but they can be nice too LOL)

[interfasys]

$129 is a nice price =)

(For new comers, click the buy now button to instantly get the license at that price)

[teedee]

Shame I already have a lifetime licence :D
Cool link BTW :D

[Two_A_T]

Glad you guys liked the little secret link ;)

I figured interfasys would be one of the first to find it :D

[interfasys]

I hesitated a long time during the last auction to ask a friend to get a license so that I could setup a test box, but I'll get a sysadmin instead.

That's my only problem with DA right now, it's that we cannot have a test license limited to one domain. I'm transitioning from one server to another and the way I can test things on the old setup before applying it to the new one is much better than to test it on an internal vanilla RH.

[loopforever]

I'm tempted to bid on that hidden link, no reserve DA license...but I don't know if I meet the critera.

I have internal licensing through DA, is it still safe for me to bid and win? I'm going to need another license eventually, and anything under what I pay now is a steal. :p

[Two_A_T]

Originally posted by loopforever
I'm tempted to bid on that hidden link, no reserve DA license...but I don't know if I meet the criteria.

I have internal licensing through DA, is it still safe for me to bid and win? I'm going to need another license eventually, and anything under what I pay now is a steal. :p
Hey Matt,

You can as long as you have not won one of the auctions before. The only restriction that I am aware of is that there is only 1 of these special licenses allowed per person/company. So, even if you have licenses you are allowed one of these. But, only one. And the license can't be "resold" or transferred.

Mark can clarify it more if you (or anyone else) has questions about the restriction.

[loopforever]

I'll wait 26 more days before I bid...we'll see what happens :).

[Two_A_T]

Ah.. so you're going after the No Reserve listing!

Good luck with it! :)

Just remember, there's more to the site than just DA offers ;)

[Two_A_T]

Just a reminder for those who either forgot or don't know..

There are still 4 active listings for DA licenses! 1 No Reserve (current bid is $105) and 3 Buy it Now's at $129!

Stop in and check them out! :D

http://hostauctioneer.com/browse.php?id=253

[Two_A_T]

Congrats to the WINNER (http://www.hostauctioneer.com/item.php?id=d1a083a84eb45e48668da61107bcf91e) of the most recent No Reserve offer! There was a nice little BIDDING WAR (http://www.hostauctioneer.com/bidhistory.php?id=d1a083a84eb45e48668da61107bcf91e#history) on it!

Reminder that there are still 3 Lifetime DA licenses being offered with a $129 BUY IT NOW price on them!

This is a great price compared to normal advertised price!

Grab them while you can!

Click HERE to get yours! (http://www.hostauctioneer.com/browse.php?id=265) Be sure to click the BUY IT NOW image to take advantage of the special price. If you use the regular Bid Now option, it will void the Buy It Now option and become a regular listing!

[Two_A_T]

DirectAdmin has offered yet another license for auction with NO RESERVE!

This listing is going to be for ONE WEEK so you better get your bid in fast if you want it!

The No Reserve listing is HERE (http://www.hostauctioneer.com/item.php?id=fc7d056ec54c42649152ebd36ddef118)

Let the bidding war begin!!

Also...

There are still 2 licenses available with a $129 BUY IT NOW price on them!

be sure to click the BUY IT NOW image to take advantage of the special price. If you use the regular Bid Now option, it will void the Buy It Now option and become a regular listing!

[Two_A_T]

Only 21 hours left on the 1 Week No Reserve offer!

Get your bid in now!

http://www.hostauctioneer.com/item.php?id=fc7d056ec54c42649152ebd36ddef118

current bid is $80

[Two_A_T]

Originally posted by Two_A_T
Only 21 hours left on the 1 Week No Reserve offer!

Get your bid in now!

http://www.hostauctioneer.com/item.php?id=fc7d056ec54c42649152ebd36ddef118

current bid is $80

Only 18 minutes left!!

Current bid at $85

[sander815]

what does no reserve mean?

Special DirectAdmin Lifetime License! *NO RESERVE!*

[ProWebUK]

Originally posted by sander815
what does no reserve mean?

It means the item is sold at the end of the auction duration, as soon as time is up it will be sold to the highest bidder, no matter what their bid is.

A reserve is where the seller sets a minimum cost for the sale, for example

Reserve: £50

If the auction ends and the highest bid is less than £50, the auction is usually just left and the items not sold, if the highest bid is over £50 the sale must be made..

Chris

[sander815]

and, whats the difference between a lifetime license, and a license bought through a reseller?

[ProWebUK]

A lifetime license is simply, a lifetime license, what is available on the DirectAdmin website. There are currently no resellers of DirectAdmin licenses.

Chris

[Two_A_T]

sander815...

When you placed a bid on this auction, were you trying to use the "Buy it Now" or did you put a bid in the box on the right?

http://www.hostauctioneer.com/item.php?id=e26fe9c95ad4f5a34c4d12f6225480c2

As it states in this listing, to win at the "Buy it Now" price, you must click the "Buy it Now" image or else it doesn't make you the winner at that price. You apparently placed a regular bid on the auction which cancelled the Buy it Now option. You are only allowed one license under the auction offers.

The reason I ask is you have also placed a bid on the "No Reserve" listing here:

http://www.hostauctioneer.com/item.php?id=74aebaa424e37de14b730b1f0ff75e7d

Which one did you want? If you want the Buy it Now offer for $129, then we can close that listing now and you will be the winner. If you bid on that listing by mistake, please let me know so we can remove your bid and you will only be bidding on the No Reserve listing.

And, a note to clear up one of your earlier questions: These DirectAdmin licenses are being offered by DirectAdmin itself, not a reseller. You are welcome to verify this with Mark from DirectAdmin as he is the one who authorizes each DA listing.

[sander815]

Originally posted by ProWebUK
A lifetime license is simply, a lifetime license, what is available on the DirectAdmin website. There are currently no resellers of DirectAdmin licenses.

Chris

does that include all updates, lifetime, and 90 dys support?

[ProWebUK]

You get the lifetime license as it is on the DA website... anything it has you should have.

Chris

[sander815]

Originally posted by Two_A_T
sander815...


Which one did you want? If you want the Buy it Now offer for $129, then we can close that listing now and you will be the winner. If you bid on that listing by mistake, please let me know so we can remove your bid and you will only be bidding on the No Reserve listing.



you can delete the 129 one, ill try the no reserve one ;)

[Two_A_T]

There is currently 1 *No Reserve* license being offered!!

Current bid is: $55

Ends in 8hrs!!

Place your bid now!!

http://www.hostauctioneer.com/item.php?id=74aebaa424e37de14b730b1f0ff75e7d

[sander815]

hmm, this bidding thing is not fair.....

i see the clock ticking to zero, and when its zero, adn i refresh it, it starts at 4 min again...whys that?

[iTec]

Agreed. If there is a deadline posted for a auction, then it should not be extended by 4 to 6 minute increments each time the closing time approaches just to boost the final bid amounts.

If this is a method to ensure a minimum bid is actually received for the product, then I feel this is deceptive advertising. And as well possibly fraudulent as well. I will not be recommending this Auction service because of that. I find this practice very unprofessional and deceptive as well.

Auction was supposed to close at 07:27 AM and it finally closed at

Auction ends: Apr. 01, 2004 - 08:12

Almost a full hour later.

And as well, the timing of the bids being placed do not jive with the times indicated on the history.

Where it says


Ends within :

that time does not correspond with the times of bids that the history shows the bid was placed at. For example, I made a bid with 21 seconds to close at 07:27AM and the time according to the history showed as 07:32. A five minute difference.

Congrats to wizzler with their successful winning bid of $205.00 usd.

As far as HostAuctioneer is concerned I will not be returning. Not unless they clean up their act.

[sander815]

same for me, last time i bid there....
i also made my last bid 10 secs before closing....

i am willing to buy it for that offer, assuming whizzler is just a faker

[Two_A_T]

What you are referring to is the site's "Anti-Sniping auto extend" feature. This feature is in place to prevent the use of "auction sniper" software which will attempt to sneak a bid in within the last seconds of an auction and "snipe" it from the high bidder.

This system will auto-extend the listing for 5 minutes if there is a high bidder within the last 120 seconds of the listing time. This makes the use of "auction sniper" software to unfairly place bids in the last seconds of a listing less effective and allow legitimate bidders to have their fair chance. It makes the auction more like a real-life auction. In a real life auction, is someone bids in the last seconds of the auction, then it causes the auction to continue for a couple more minutes until there are no more last second bids.

We put this system in place so the people who physically place their bids will have an advantage over the "snipers" because most software designed to do this will only watch for 1 end time and will not check to see if the auction has been extended or re-listed.

The option was requested by several of our sellers but if there is too much confusion or disagreement with the way it protects actual bidders over auction "sniper" software bidders then we will disable it in the future.

[hostpc.com]

Just my perception, it seems a little deceptive that this wasn't disclosed publically before hand.

[Two_A_T]

Originally posted by hostpc.com
Just my perception, it seems a little deceptive that this wasn't disclosed publically before hand.
Actually, the addition of this feature is publically posted on the site. It was included with several other newly added features which we posted about on 03/02/2004 in the "News" section on the Home/front page of the site. The announcement was first posted at the end of January and updated after we added WebStores at the at the end of February which is why the date stamp is March 2nd.

You can see the announcement on the home page of the site which links to this page: http://www.hostauctioneer.com/viewnew.php?id=a8b36e2cf01e6b6e58f0f11d5ba0125f

[hostpc.com]

Wow, that's gotta be a record ... a 5.5 YEAR bump of the message!

[floyd]

I think it is link spam.

[hostpc.com]

Ya thinK???

[floyd]

Did somebody forget to take their sarcasma pill this morning? :)

[skruf]

Nah... Must have seen NCIS last night...

[nobaloney]

It is link spam. And I've deleted it and suspended the user.

Jeff