WebMail system

[smtalk]

Hello,

Don't you think that UebiMiau is an outdated application? It's webpage has't been updated for ages. I think that there should be an option in DirectAdmin which should let you to enable/disable UebiMiau, SquirrelMail etc. Or completely remove UebiMiau and instead of it include RoundCube WebMail (it is beta, but much better than UebiMiau). Waiting for your opinion :)

Edit: RoundCube is included by default now!

[hehachris]

i vote "all"
hey, dont forget Horde!

[xemaps]

remove uebimiau ;)
add horde in place

[smtalk]

Sorry, forgot Horde :) Great application too

[nobaloney]

Since UebiMiau doesn't use IMAP, if it's ever removed everyone with email in EubiMiau mailboxes won't be able to access their email.

The question should probably be, "what do you want to see added?".

Jeff

[xemaps]

Originally posted by jlasman
Since UebiMiau doesn't use IMAP, if it's ever removed everyone with email in EubiMiau mailboxes won't be able to access their email.

The question should probably be, "what do you want to see added?".

Jeff

basicly it's configured to use pop, BUT uebimiau can use imap without problem, just config to change, howewer prefer squirrelmail !
The very bad point is that ubm like use temp files, can be a big part of the harddisk, without any limitation, neither survey...

[nobaloney]

Yes, but if you change it to use IMAP you'll lose all those proprietary folders, just as if you delete it completely. I think those of us who have users actually using UebiMiau and subfolders are stuck.

I prefer Squirrelmail as well.

Jeff

[smtalk]

I wonder why DirectAdmin staff don't want to add the best free WebMail with AJAX (others with AJAX are not free or not as good as RoundCube is) features - RoundCube... Horde or the RoundCube would be the best alternatives to the SquirrelMail. Don't you think so?

[xemaps]

Originally posted by smtalk
I wonder why DirectAdmin staff don't want to add the best free WebMail with AJAX (others with AJAX are not free or not as good as RoundCube is) features - RoundCube... Horde or the RoundCube would be the best alternatives to the SquirrelMail. Don't you think so?

Alternative is when it does not need much ressources
there is no better than squirrelmail today, but i would see horde as webmail - admin choice - on place of obsolete uebimiau (and stay with squirrelmail )
Other use special ENV and are subject to more security bugs.
We use SQ specially for spam survey and report, with a little modifications. Customers are very happy about.

[smtalk]

Yes, I wanted to say that RoundCube and Horde would be the better alternatives to SquirrelMail than UebiMiau. e.g. leave only squirrelmail as default and RoundCube or Horde as optional.

Also, Happy New year, xemaps!

[nobaloney]

So you're saying that folk currently using UebiMiau should just lose their folders? That you don't care?

Even if you're saying only new servers, many of us move user accounts between servers for one reason or another.

Jeff

[smtalk]

So leave UebiMiau only as an optional webmail then :)

[spamcop]

Originally posted by jlasman
So you're saying that folk currently using UebiMiau should just lose their folders? That you don't care?

Even if you're saying only new servers, many of us move user accounts between servers for one reason or another.

Jeff

message copy is easy, script is easy to do ... if needed
when user change for another webmail they purge at least.
And i am not sure with quota about this...

Do i understand you're a uebimiau user ?

[nobaloney]

I'm not a UebiMiau user. In fact on all our new servers we alias webmail to squirrelmail and if we move users to those new servers, we let them know they can find uebimiau if they need it.

But we'll never remove it, because we know some of our clients depend on it.

Jeff

[kevinb]

I would like to see SquirrelMail and Horde being the primary with UebiMiau deprecated.

I'd also like to see a option so that you can select which is the primary webmail of choice.

I took a look at RoundMail and given its limited history and very beta status I wouldn't jump over to it.

[smtalk]

Any word from DirectAdmin Support? :)

[nobaloney]

What kind of word would you be looking for? I'm betting if they're going to make changes they'll put them into the Version Control System, here (http://www.directadmin.com/versions.php).

Jeff

[smtalk]

Originally posted by jlasman
What kind of word would you be looking for? I'm betting if they're going to make changes they'll put them into the Version Control System, here (http://www.directadmin.com/versions.php).

Jeff

Haha :) jlasman, I know that version control system ;) And I've known it for a long time. Words as: it will be included into next release, we will not include any new webmail system, we are planning to include a new webmail system as soon as possible etc. They aren't going to put a new webmail system this month, because they have more important things to do. But I and some others don't know when it will be included (or not included too) into the DirectAdmin and if they're planning to make changes - we don't know what they are planning to do.

[vandal]

good thing I removed UebiMiau from my system the day I installed DA.

[nobaloney]

smtalk, my guess is they haven't made a final decision. You can always write them for a more specific reply.

vandal, you could have just changed the alias; we do that on new systems.

Jeff

[smtalk]

Yes, I've mailed them :) They aren't planning to include the new webmail system as soon as possible, because they have much more important things to do...

[smtalk]

Thank you for voting :) As more we will vote as more exact results we will have. As a result we'll have a webmail system as we want. Thanks again.

[pluk]

Nustmail with squirrelmail is what my clients like.

http://nutsmail.com/

[L-Zet]

I think, that goos idea is to include to DA OpenWebMail...
I worked with it... IMHO, it's very good, even converts Outlook addressbook, that vary useful for end-user.

[rldev]

Nustmail with squirrelmail is what my clients like.

http://nutsmail.com/

No. Nutsmail has zero support.

[pluk]

Oh that could be for support.

Since I've installed it though I didn't have a problem yet.

[smtalk]

RoundCube should be as a rounducube.sh in /usr/local/directadmin/scripts really soon now :) Maybe a new structure for the webmail will be as well.

[cyberneticos]

Firstly,

I wish only one email system was ever in place. Many of my users would switch from one to another thinking they would have the same folders and info in both (as if they were only interfaces. So just for having two to choose from, is a pain in the ass for me.

Now, I think both Uebimiau and squirelmail suck, compared to others I've seen, and have tested like Roundcube.

Uebimiau's site is dead. When you switch to any other language than English, the forms get screwed up.

I would rather have a Roundcube in beta version, than a Uebimiau that SUCKS, and doesn't work, and have no faith it will ever get better.

I have many clients that come from other panels that have used Horde, and some could not live without it.

RESUMING:

Please , whatever system you choose, JUST HAVE ONE, and have one that works and is elegant. For example Roundcube or horde. Just the name squirelmail and Uebimiau, gives you a "not serious" impression.

1 is BETTER than 2 rediculous ones.

[algero]

Don't you think that UebiMiau is an outdated application?

Yes, neither UebiMiau nor SquirrelMail are modern systems. I think DA needs a modern features rich WebMail.



I think that there should be an option in DirectAdmin which will let to enable/disable UebiMiau, SquirrelMail etc

Sure

[Zoner]

Hi,

only three good webemail software (opensrc):

RoundCube
Horde
squirrelmail (lightweight use)

[nobaloney]

Why do you feel squirrelmail is only for lightweight use? It has more features than for example, RoundCube, it's got a lot less load than for example, Horde, and when you use Maildir it's incredibly fast, even with thousands of messages in a mailbox.

Jeff

[ihostuk]

I'm going to go against the grain here and actually say I like UebiMiau,
I think from a customer PoV it does its job and has a nice interface that ties in with IE/XP graphics, something which most new users appreciate.

I completely disagree with toniramos, I don't think UebiMiau sucks at all. My clients that use it have not had any problem with it so far. It has a nice UI, and does its job fairly well, I'm not to up on the security bugs side, it may have a huge one that will make me change my mind. But the last bug update was yes, around Mar 06, but lots of other softwares release patches alot less frequently. It may be EoL but i still think it looks good, is nice for new customers and serves its purpose.

And I don't see why everyone seems to be calling it the worst mail client ever wrote?

[smtalk]

Any opinions now? :) RoundCube became a default part of DirectAdmin and it's included into the CustomBuild script now.

[nobaloney]

Something else for us to try in our next install :) .

Thanks, Martynas!

Jeff

[nobaloney]

I'm going to go against the grain here and actually say I like UebiMiau,
I think from a customer PoV it does its job and has a nice interface that ties in with IE/XP graphics, something which most new users appreciate.
and

It may be EoL but i still think it looks good, is nice for new customers and serves its purpose.
and

And I don't see why everyone seems to be calling it the worst mail client ever wrote?

I like it as well. However, in addition to the updates situation (I agree, stability is often good, and in fact I run Mandriva 2005 LE on our company desktops), UebiMiau, as installed by DirectAdmin (to use POP3 rather than IMAP) stores email in it's own directory structure, which is not convertible to anything else or usable by anything else.

So it's got a lockin to which I'd rather not expose any additional clients.

Jeff

[IT_Architect]

I think, that goos idea is to include to DA OpenWebMail...
I worked with it... IMHO, it's very good, even converts Outlook addressbook, that vary useful for end-user.I'm a little surprised you didn't get some support on this one. OpenWebMail supports HTML composition, and if I get the patched version, it will do MailDir. It also has auto-login, multiple languages and charsets, strong MIME message capability, full content search, draft folder, confirm reading receipt, spelling check, vCard compliant addressbook, POP3 support, mail filter, antispam through SpamAssassin, antivirus through ClamAV, calendar with reminder/notification, webdisk, and HTTP compression. It has a more functional and intuitive interface of any web mail client with an html interface.

[rldev]

I have used Openwebmail for years and I do not agree. It is a major resource hog for sure.

[IT_Architect]

I have used Openwebmail for years and I do not agree. It is a major resource hog for sure.I guess that leaves only one really nice one, Outlook WebAccess. For our DA servers, I'm back to picking my poison, either Nutsmail! or RoundCube.

Thanks!

[rldev]

How about Zimbra?

[IT_Architect]

How about Zimbra?I've never heard of it. That's quite a product. You need to pay between $25 - $35 per year, per user. If it works as good as it reads, it might be worth it. Do you use it?

Thanks!

[rldev]

I believe they have an Open Source webmail client.

[IT_Architect]

I believe they have an Open Source webmail client.They do, but it's missing a lot of the features. The Open Source version makes it brings the capabilities down to the level of Nutsmail! while bringing the Ajax capabilities of RoundCube. If you want something that can automate people's time better than Exchange/Outlook WebAccess, with more capabilities, you need to spend the $35/user. I see them missing a great opportunity here. They no doubt have a lot a work into it, and should be compensated well for it. But the way it stands, they will never get the word out at that price when Exchange + Outlook Web Access + Sharepoint Services is something they may already own. IMO, the only audience they can garner this way are the dyed-in-the-wool Microsoft haters. Also, I don't think having the price up there will make them more money. I think they will make less.

For DA users, it means using Postfix, whether that be good or bad, I don't know.

[visionleads]

I have been been primarily with CPanel for about 5 years now and considering a switch to Plesk or DirectAdmin depending on a few requirements. The most critical being support for Zimbra which was recently purchased by Yahoo!

The open source version has everything we need to sustain our communication needs and the roadmap looks good for the future. The requirements from the control panel would be the auto provisioning of new Xen instances for each of our clients, which CPanel is not currently able to do.

Can DirectAdmin handle virtualized provisioning with RHEL5?

[nobaloney]

DirectAdmin is a single server solution and it does NOT have a facility to run multiple virtual servers; one for each client.

Jeff

[eellery]

good thing I removed UebiMiau from my system the day I installed DA.

Can you tell us how? I want to remove from admin interface and if possible from web access.

Ellery

[jpb77]

Right, I have searched how I can change the default webmail client.

When I goto www.domain.com/webmail - I want Roundcube to appear rather than the Ubtmail (s&*t).

I have read that it's just a small change in a http.conf file, OK, but which one? Where do i find this file so Roundcube shows as the default webmail?

Also, I have followed http://help.directadmin.com/item.php?id=92 to change it to webmail.domain.com - but this hasn't changed.

Thanks for your time.

JB

PS I also notice Atmail is also included but when I use this it wont send emails as it cannot connect to the SMTP server??

[jimmmarks]

I vote Ubtmail

[scsi]

I vote Ubtmail

WTF is ubtmail? Whats the url to it?

[nobaloney]

Most likely a misspelling of Uebimaiu.

Jeff