DirectAdmin and Red hat Linux Ending

[Aussie]

Hi,

Does anyone know the plan for DirectAdmin and the end of supported Red Hat Linux in a month and a half?

Does DA work on Debian or others?

Jeff.

[chow]

Good question, I was wondering about that too..

[ProWebUK]

everone changes to either rh9 for 4 months, fedora for 3 months, enterprise for 5 years and $180 minimum or move to freebsd when DA comes out of beta............

[nobaloney]

Originally posted by ProWebUK
everone changes to either rh9 for 4 months, fedora for 3 months, enterprise for 5 years and $180 minimum or move to freebsd when DA comes out of beta
I'm presuming and hoping that you're being facetious.

Obviously none of us want to upgrade a server every few months.

Additionally, there's no guarantee that Fedora will be working and stable any time soon (the fedora-users mailing list has somewhere around 400 emails every day, most of them complaints), and there's no guarantee that DA will work with any of the RHEL flavors.

As far as FreeBSD is concerned, you'll find that 4.8 is destined for relatively early ending of support as well.

John and Mark have, iirc, committed to keeping the software they supply updated.

I'd suggest joinging the fedora-legacy list at Red Hat to keep up to date on attempts being made to keep old versions of RHL up to date.

Jeff

[Aussie]

DirectAdmin got back to me with the plans. Debian will be there :-)

I don't mind paying the RHEL price, but still cheesed off at what notice they give us all. Alot of other control panels don't work well on RH9, and what on Earth are Ensim going to do?

Guess this Christmas it will be a busy IT time.

Jeff.

[ProWebUK]

Originally posted by jlasman
I'm presuming and hoping that you're being facetious.

Obviously none of us want to upgrade a server every few months.


yes, they are currently the only options i think DirectAdmin users (without staying with a current version of RH) have, none of them sound to good of an idea to me.



Originally posted by aussie
DirectAdmin got back to me with the plans. Debian will be there :-)

I don't mind paying the RHEL price, but still cheesed off at what notice they give us all. Alot of other control panels don't work well on RH9, and what on Earth are Ensim going to do?

Guess this Christmas it will be a busy IT time.


Debian will be ready when? IMHO it needs to be ready at the very beginning of 2004 to be of much help at this time.

RHEL has been around for plenty of time, boxed versions have been in stores in the UK alone for a few months now, the only thing that would be recent is the emails they have sent out, 2 days ago with all options and a comparison chart.

I think the industry will be by quite hectic for the being of 2004, and possibly later on also, Hopefully we will be able to continue with our current OS's for a fait bit longer than we are expecting.

(are you aussie from EV1 forums?)

Chris

[The Prohacker]

Originally posted by ProWebUK

Debian will be ready when? IMHO it needs to be ready at the very beginning of 2004 to be of much help at this time.


I don't think a Debian port will be to hard for John to get out soon.. Should be much easier than the FreeBSD port...

[nobaloney]

Chris,

RHL7.3 & RHL8 up2date services will expire the end of the year, and RHL9 will continue through April.

The Fedora-Legacy Project expects to have updates available to RHL7.3 by the time support ends at the end of the year:

http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list

Jeff

[ProWebUK]

Originally posted by The Prohacker
I don't think a Debian port will be to hard for John to get out soon.. Should be much easier than the FreeBSD port...

hopefully, but don't forget, its likely there will need to be a beta release, so far i think FreeBSD has been in beta for over a month now?, with the time it takes to develop, then place in beta, will all users still be running stable and safe?


Originally posted by jlasman
RHL7.3 & RHL8 up2date services will expire the end of the year, and RHL9 will continue through April.

I recieved the dates a while back, luckily we have a few 9 servers aswell as 7.3 which will hopefully help us out with having to move servers around..

[The Prohacker]

Originally posted by ProWebUK
hopefully, but don't forget, its likely there will need to be a beta release, so far i think FreeBSD has been in beta for over a month now?, with the time it takes to develop, then place in beta, will all users still be running stable and safe?



The differnce between Linux and FreeBSD is huge when it comes to properly porting software.. Redhat runs the Linux kernel and so does Debian..

Really anything that runs on Redhat will run on Debian.. But the paths are differnt to things such as Apache and Bind.. There is also no service command as I remember...

[The Prohacker]

Hopefully John and Mark can maintain their own packge lists so when DA is installed it updates the master source of the list so apt can update DA software, like vm, imap, exim, etc...

[ProWebUK]

Originally posted by The Prohacker
The differnce between Linux and FreeBSD is huge when it comes to properly porting software.. Redhat runs the Linux kernel and so does Debian..

Really anything that runs on Redhat will run on Debian.. But the paths are differnt to things such as Apache and Bind.. There is also no service command as I remember...

In that case it may be quicker and easier than i expected - never used debian previously

[existenz]

I know we have the backup option but with all of this in mind don't you think we will need a better export / import tool as to minimize the downtime if we switch OS's?

Don't you have to creat all the account over again and upload each backup to the proper directory. It would be great if I we could backup the entire server OR by each reseller and restore all their sites on a new box?

[nobaloney]

Originally posted by existenz
I know we have the backup option but with all of this in mind don't you think we will need a better export / import tool as to minimize the downtime if we switch OS's?
I second the motion :) .

Jeff

[l0rdphi1]

There is a feature queued that lets one move accounts from server to server. That is all I need.

Of course, a big plus would be if this feature lets you move multiple accounts at the same time :D

[ProWebUK]

Just received another email from RH:

Enterprise Linux WS: for desktop/client systems. Starting at $179
Enterprise Linux ES: for small/mid-range servers. Starting at $349
Enterprise Linux AS: for high-end and mission-critical systems. Starting at $1499

Does that mean the server setup option that we currently get in redhat 9 will be lossed and we will be required to pay the $349 for that?!... this seems to be getting more expensive all the time :(

[JoeInShed]

Does directadmin even support redhat enterprise ?
Is the freebsd support pretty much done?

I'm wondering, if we setup a server with directadmin now, we'll have to move everyone to a new o/s in a few months (if we use rh9 now). so redhat 9 is out the window.

FreeBSD is a possibility, we already run some openbsd and freebsd servers so it should be ok from our side, but how long till da is fully functional ?

what would you do if your setting up a production server next week with da.. what OS?

[ProWebUK]

1) I think DA may work with enterprise (for some reason, although cant confirm...)

2) The time it has been in beta, i will assume FreeBSD versions are nearly ready.

3) from a comment i heared recently im putting my hopes on DA having debian versions before the end of the year and if not then, before april when RH9 expires :)

Chris

[nobaloney]

I still urge everyone who currently depends on versions of RH due to become nonsupported, to join the Fedora Legacy mailing list and become part of this vital project.

If we don't want to have to update systems quite often, and don't want to spend a fortune on commercial linux products with high support price tags, or don't want to be bound by Red Hat's draconian license for RHEL, we need to find a way to support our systems for more than a year or two.

So far, Fedora Legacy looks like a viable (maybe the only viable) alternative.

I've posted a link to join and/or browse the mailing list, in an earlier post to this thread.

Jeff

[sean]

Originally posted by l0rdphi1
There is a feature queued that lets one move accounts from server to server. That is all I need.

Of course, a big plus would be if this feature lets you move multiple accounts at the same time :D

Yep, I think that feature should be at the top of the list, :-)

[ProWebUK]

Server-to-Server Account Transfers. We are developing a comprehensive account transfer utility that allows server Admins to effortlessly transfer User/Reseller accounts (and their content) to a different DirectAdmin server.

Taken from: http://www.directadmin.com/upcoming.html

[teedee]

RH linux, the original, is so widely used at this point that it's highly unlikely development by parties other than RH will stop anytime soon. Once RH ceases its support for RH linux, we'll simply manually patch things that come up instead of using the RH up2date engine. Until the software becomes a security risk that can no longer be updated, we'll have RH linux around on machines.
As we noted to our dedicated clients, it's more likely that the hardware in use on the current servers will be obsolete before the RH linux installs on those machines becomes such a risk that we can no longer use it. In those cases, we'll simply transfer accounts to new machines.

[nobaloney]

Within the last year we rebuilt 12 systems for webhosting companies that didn't keep their software up to date, and therefore got hacked.

We've come across many more systems which we've updated for clients who had not been keeping them updated.

And this is while it was easy, while all we had to do was point up2date or apt at a repository kept up to date with fixes against newly found exploits.

And it's nowhere near as easy as you think to fix against these exploits. When exploits are announced the software maintainers generally either bring out a new version or a patch for the most recent version of the particular program. But if we're using RHL 7.3, 8 or 9 (as most of us in the linux-based webhosting business are) we're not using the latest versions of many important programs in our systems.

(For example, Plesk Server Administrator is still using GD1.x, and DirectAdmin is still using Apache 1.x, while iirc Plesk uses 1.x on RHL 7.3 and 2.x on RHL9.)

Updating just one package in your system can and often does break dependencies, and things fail to work, since various versions of software require various library versions, etc.

However, it's not the job of the individual software package maintainers to worry about dependencies. That's the distribution vendors' job... Distribution vendors such as Red Hat.

They do it by something called "backporting" fixes from the newest software versions to the ones they maintain in their releases.

And that's not easy. If you've been reading the Fedora Legacy List (http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list) then you know that even the people who work for Red Hat and who have been backporting for years, admit it's not easy.

So now let me get this straight...

You maintain that even though Red Hat, with thousands of subscribers to it's up2date network paying us$60/year for updates, can't afford to do the backporting, that you can, for the one or two systems you run?

For the sake of your business, I hope so.

But if you do, then I sincerely hope you only have one version to keep secure against new exploits.

Those of us who've been in the hosting business a while (and I've been hosting websites for others since early 1995) know that having multiple versions of operating systems is not good. We've been focused on RHL 7.3 for several years now, and we're not yet ready to move on, though we're studying FreeBSD as our platform for the future.

We won't make the change lightly, we don't want to have lots of different systems with lots of different versions of operating systems to support in our data center.

Jeff

[teedee]

I agree with your points, I am only saying that this does not have to mean a mad rush to replace operating systems with RHEL or any other OS.

I currently have 33 servers online (1 DA server :D) and believe that the additional time involved patching machines for 1 year to 18 months (before hardware is replaced) outways the disadvantages of replacing the OS on these machines. This plus the additional cost of $349 / year for the basic enterprise version ( The basic enterprise subscription would generally give us the exact use of RHN we have now: no support, and access to ISOs and updates only ) just is not feasable on this number of machines when we can wait up to 18 months and replace the OS as and when the hardware is renewed.

This also gives us plenty of time to study how the various Control Panel options manage with the different *nix platforms.

Some of the commentary surrounding RH's decision has been of the Chicken Little variety (end of the world! what now?!?) and some has been rather harsh toward RH for making their business decision, Not that we don't think RH shouldn't make any money. We are good capitalists, after all.

We will simply vote with the o/s we use and the dollars we spend on various items related to the choice we make. We will just do it over a timescale that is managable and sensible for our business.

[RobTD]

Just a question... when is the debian DA available? 1 month? 1 year? unknown? :-)

[existenz]

Assuming that they make a version today I would not expect to see a final stable working version for a few months. They should be able to port DA much quicker than they are to FreeBSD but it I am sure they will take time to release a beta, test fix then release a product.

[RobTD]

hmmm... won't directadmin work on mandrake without porting? cause mandrake is a redhat sort of linux... or am I wrong? :-)

[ProWebUK]

DA, I believe, will not go on top of Mandrake without some changes with its code.

[buster]

Is the FreeBSD version ready yet?

[ProWebUK]

Still in beta.

Chris

[buster]

Any date yet for release?

If I use RH 7.3 version for now, will I be able to transfer them to a FreeBSD box later without to much dificulty?

[ProWebUK]

Based on the quote below, I will assume the transfer feature will be the same through all, and any of the DirectAdmin releases. I think DA_FreeBSD was expected september (or am I thinking of something else?) so i'd assume very soon.

Chris



Originally posted by ProWebUK
Server-to-Server Account Transfers. We are developing a comprehensive account transfer utility that allows server Admins to effortlessly transfer User/Reseller accounts (and their content) to a different DirectAdmin server.

Taken from: http://www.directadmin.com/upcoming.html

[buster]

I just found another post that says its out:

http://www.directadmin.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1199&highlight=FreeBSD


?????

[ProWebUK]

I stand corrected! FreeBSD 4.8 is now available on the order form :)

Chris

[buster]

Cool. I looked earlier today and it wasnt there.

[existenz]

btw: FreeBSD 4.9 works just fine...

[DigitalMinds]

I have been testing RedHat Fedora on 3 different systems and so far I have found it to be very stable with no issues. I have tested both yum and apt updaters on the systems and both worked flawless.

Next, I plan on upgrading RH 7.3 systems to Fedora.

At this juncture, I agree with Jeff, that Fedora looks more like a future. Having almost finished migrating sites over to DirectAdmin, I am looking for a easy upgrade or a way to maintain my existing DirectAdmin servers. Having the ability in DirectAdmin to migrate site to other servers is going to be mission critical.

Michael Bush



Originally posted by jlasman
I still urge everyone who currently depends on versions of RH due to become nonsupported, to join the Fedora Legacy mailing list and become part of this vital project.

If we don't want to have to update systems quite often, and don't want to spend a fortune on commercial linux products with high support price tags, or don't want to be bound by Red Hat's draconian license for RHEL, we need to find a way to support our systems for more than a year or two.

So far, Fedora Legacy looks like a viable (maybe the only viable) alternative.

I've posted a link to join and/or browse the mailing list, in an earlier post to this thread.

Jeff

[ProWebUK]

Originally posted by DigitalMinds
Fedora looks more like a future.

Most definitely if you want a future that involves installing a new OS every 2 months. ;)

Chris

[DigitalMinds]

Chris:

Just looking for options on keeping our servers updated.

I have been testing both aptrpm and yum on RedHat 7.3 and 9.0 systems. Both updater seem to work great.


Site References
---------------

Yum:

http://linux.duke.edu/projects/yum/


Apt:

http://apt-rpm.tuxfamily.org/
https://moin.conectiva.com.br/AptRpm


Command-line Parameters
-----------------------

Yum:


# yum

Usage: yum [options] <update | upgrade | install | info | remove | list |
clean | provides | search | check-update | groupinstall |
groupupdate | grouplist >

Options:
-c [config file] - specify the config file to use
-e [error level] - set the error logging level
-d [debug level] - set the debugging level
-y answer yes to all questions
-t be tolerant about errors in package commands
-R [time in minutes] - set the max amount of time to randomly run in.
-C run from cache only - do not update the cache
--installroot=[path] - set the install root (default '/')
--version - output the version of yum
-h, --help this screen




Apt:


# apt-get
apt 0.5.15cnc3 for linux i386 compiled on Nov 26 2003 05:15:58
Usage: apt-get [options] command
apt-get [options] install|remove pkg1 [pkg2 ...]
apt-get [options] source pkg1 [pkg2 ...]

apt-get is a simple command line interface for downloading and
installing packages. The most frequently used commands are update
and install.

Commands:
update - Retrieve new lists of packages
upgrade - Perform an upgrade
install - Install new packages (pkg is libc6 not libc6.rpm)
remove - Remove packages
source - Download source archives
build-dep - Configure build-dependencies for source packages
dist-upgrade - Distribution upgrade, see apt-get(8)
clean - Erase downloaded archive files
autoclean - Erase old downloaded archive files
check - Verify that there are no broken dependencies

Options:
-h This help text.
-q Loggable output - no progress indicator
-qq No output except for errors
-d Download only - do NOT install or unpack archives
-s No-act. Perform ordering simulation
-y Assume Yes to all queries and do not prompt
-f Attempt to continue if the integrity check fails
-m Attempt to continue if archives are unlocatable
-u Show a list of upgraded packages as well
-b Build the source package after fetching it
-D When removing packages, remove dependencies as possible
-V Show verbose version numbers
-c=? Read this configuration file
-o=? Set an arbitary configuration option, eg -o dir::cache=/tmp
See the apt-get(8), sources.list(5) and apt.conf(5) manual
pages for more information and options.
This APT has Super Cow Powers.

[ProWebUK]

Interesting. I'm not making any decisions until the 5th which is when EV1 will release their OS roadmap..... until then we can buy a few plain boxes and setup debian or stick with redhat 7.3 / 9 so the wait it is ;)

I *think* they will go RHEL since the new name went there to remove the 'shack' from the company name and make it more professional, and RHCE would help dramatically there and seeing as their competition; rackspace has RHEL im certain it would help.... and we all know how well robert does things when it comes to negociations with large companies :)

Chris

[The Prohacker]

Originally posted by ProWebUK
I *think* they will go RHEL since the new name went there to remove the 'shack' from the company name and make it more professional

Actually I beleive they changed their name for a differnt reason :D

[ProWebUK]

The only other reason HS mentioned would be to extend the EV1 brand.... and I think he has done both :D

Chris

[DigitalMinds]

Looks like Progeny is going to be offering security updates for Redhat 7.2 and 7.3 systems at $5 per month per machine.

Check out their posting on their website.

http://www.progeny.com/products/transition/

Just for those who do not know who Progeny is:

Progeny was founded by Debian Linux creator Ian Murdock. In 1993, Murdock recognized that the absence of a solid underlying platform was limiting the acceptance of Linux beyond the hackers and enthusiasts who created it. The resulting Debian Project has contributed innovations that have become pervasive in the Linux community. These innovations include the use of a package system—a concept now utilized in virtually every Linux distribution—and embracing the open-source approach to community creation of software. Today, Debian is the Linux distribution most widely used by software developers.

Michael Bush
Digital Minds International

[The Prohacker]

Around Mid-December Fedora Legacy project launches, using those same two clients but also adding RH7.3 support. Fedora Legacy aims to continue backports of security patches for the older distributions.

Looks like fedora.us will take over most of the patching...

[DigitalMinds]

Looks like options are being developed for Redhat 7.3 users. A DirectAdmin server and account migration utility would be great too!

Michael Bush
Digital Minds International

[The Prohacker]

Originally posted by DigitalMinds
Looks like options are being developed for Redhat 7.3 users. A DirectAdmin server and account migration utility would be great too!

Michael Bush
Digital Minds International

Sorry I didn't include the first bit.. RH 8 and 9 are already supported...

[interfasys]

Plesk will be available on RHE.
I guess most other cp will also follow that path since those are always available on the latest RH.

It would be very nice if DA could follow the same path.

[ProWebUK]

Originally posted by interfasys
It would be very nice if DA could follow the same path.

We will probably make the move to RHEL also, main reason is we know RH and how it works, and it is supported for 5 years before a new full version gets released. I would rather pay a one-off fee and get something I trust rather than use a free OS that will require a new OS install every 2/3 months.

Chris

[nobaloney]

Originally posted by ProWebUK
I would rather pay a one-off fee and get something I trust rather than use a free OS that will require a new OS install every 2/3 months.
Read that Red Hat RHEL license carefully. The fee is annual, per machine. And you give them permission to enter your premises to do an audit at any time.

Jeff

[nobaloney]

You might want to consider using WBEL (White Box); it's the same code base as RHEL, compiled from the official RHEL sources. It's fully compatible because there aren't any changes.

But only once you know how your Control Panel vendor is supporting it.

Direct Admin isn't alone in not updating their homepage or their "requirement" page since RH announced the end of RHL support. In fact they still direct us to the Red Hat site to get it.

In the meantime, Fedora-Legacy as of Tuesday was still discussing how to format update announcements while Progeny is distributing patches (two so far). I'd recommend Progeny.

Jeff

[Dixiesys]

Originally posted by DigitalMinds
Looks like Progeny is going to be offering security updates for Redhat 7.2 and 7.3 systems at $5 per month per machine.

Check out their posting on their website.

http://www.progeny.com/products/transition/


Or $2500 for unlimited servers, what would be awesome would be if somehow DA could work it where they get an unlimited subscription, setup a repository here and just charge us enough to cover themselves and a little on top.

[ProWebUK]

Originally posted by Dixiesys
Or $2500 for unlimited servers, what would be awesome would be if somehow DA could work it where they get an unlimited subscription, setup a repository here and just charge us enough to cover themselves and a little on top.

$2500 per month that is..... if you have 500 servers that leaves you paying the same cost as 1 server - $5 per month. You need over 500 servers to be getting any dicount at all on the normal 'per server' cost.

If DA wanted to go ahead with it they would need to get 500 customers paying $5 each (they could go directly for the same cost) or they may get slight discounts for over 500... unless you are covering thousands of servers all requiring the updates it would be easier to purchase on a per server basis.

Chris

[nobaloney]

DirectAdmin would have to license 500 systems using RHL 7.2 and 7.3 systems to just break even at the $5/month Progeny is charging.

I think the price is excellent at $5/month/server, and we now have a business relationship with Progeny.

For those who want administration done for them, our administration service includes Progeny updates where aplicable, and is available for Plesk and DirectAdmin systems.

We're not allowed to mention pricing here.

Jeff

[jjma]

Originally posted by jlasman
[B]You might want to consider using WBEL (White Box); it's the same code base as RHEL, compiled from the official RHEL sources. It's fully compatible because there aren't any changes.

But only once you know how your Control Panel vendor is supporting it.

Can I assume that if DA bring out support for RHEL that WBEL will also be default be supported as both are using the same code base?

Jon

[nobaloney]

Originally posted by jjma
Can I assume that if DA bring out support for RHEL that WBEL will also be default be supported as both are using the same code base?
I'm reminded of the old Americanism:

"Don't assume; when you assume you make an ass out of U and me."

So I won't assume :) .

But WBEL is RHEL, from the same source code; the only thing that's been removed is the trademarks.

See: http://www.whiteboxlinux.org/

Note their disclaimer about bugs. Nevertheless, it appears to be not just similar to, but the same as, RHEL.

Once DA announces support I'll test it and post results here and on the nobaloney.net website.

We look forward to DA supporting RHEL (and WBEL) and we'll offer a combination WBEL/DA package as soon as DA allows us to do so.

Jeff

[jjma]

Thanks for your reply. I am already using Whiteboxlinux at the moment, and like you, am waiting from trying DA until official support is released.

Jon

[Dixiesys]

Hmm that's very interesting, now if someone would setup a server to use as an "up2date" server like the RHN so you can still run something like up2date rather than manually loading each update then this would rock :)

[Blair]

Is this not saying that you can use up2date?

From Fedora site:

Fedora Updates
If any security updates, bugfix updates, and new feature updates are available, they can be downloaded from:

http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/

In this directory, there is a directory for each release number. For example, for Fedora Core Release 1, there is a 1/ directory.

These updates can also be downloaded using the Red Hat Update Agent (up2date) or yum.

Annoucements about Fedora Updates are sent to fedora-announce-list.

[ProWebUK]

Up2Date works fine with fedora.... Yum and APT also work fine.

Chris

[nobaloney]

I prefer apt. It's just so easy; you set up a cron.daily job and you get your box updated automagically :) .

(Except for kernels, which you'll need to do manually, and reboot after.)

Jeff

[DirectAdmin Support]

Hello,

The Reseller's Backup/Restore tool is that feature. Still has the odd bug, but should get the job done. :) It creates backups and allows you to transfter the backup to a remote location. You can also restore the backup from the local machine, or another remote location (all done via ftp).

John

[jjma]

It would be a nice touch if you could send backups via sftp or some form of encryted means instead of ftp.

Jon

[nobaloney]

John,

Will the reseller backup tool allow us to successfully transfer complete sites from one system to another?

Can you please tell us what else we might have to back up? I believe we'll have to backup and move webmail separately, but is there anything else?

Also, can you tell me (or point me to) exactly what DirectAdmin installs on an OS, so we can create a system for backing up and restoring the complete DirectAdmin install as well?

Thanks.

Jeff

[ProWebUK]

http://www.directadmin.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1489&

Theres a list of files and directories there :)

(read through the thread to find whats missing..... basically the users which DA would cover in its backups)

Chris

[nobaloney]

With all respect Chris, I'm asking John for the information because I'd like, if possible, one list of everything in one place.

I thought he'd already posted such a list, but if he has, i can't find it today :( .

I know I could go through the thread you started and figure out what you think is right, and what I think is right, but I'd like a definitive response from the gents who wrote it :) .

Jeff

[ProWebUK]

Its taken from the list provided by DA.... (plus a few extras for important system files)

http://directadmin.com/paths.html

Chris

[DirectAdmin Support]

Ya, what he said :)

John

[NetcomHost]

Just to throw it in as the one person in this thread I have seen, I do currently run RHEL 3.0 on my server and run it well with the current stable DA. The only drawbacks I ever had was removing plesk for DA but once I installed it, told the install it was Red Hat 9, it worked fine.

Have had the box up for over a month fine with no issues. Even though RHEL is not officially supported, I have enjoyed using it and DA together.

[jjma]

Is there an official ETA of when RedHat Enterprise Linux will be supported?

Jon

[DirectAdmin Support]

Update: We bought Enterprise yesterday, we'll go get a build system within the next week or 2 and should have a beta not too long after that. More realistically, I'd say a Beta in 1-2 months.

John

[nobaloney]

Originally posted by DirectAdmin Support
Update: We bought Enterprise yesterday
How come you didn't just download WBEL ?

(Really, I understand your position, but I'll just use WBEL, I'm sure.)

Jeff

[ProWebUK]

Originally posted by jlasman
How come you didn't just download WBEL ?

(Really, I understand your position, but I'll just use WBEL, I'm sure.)

Jeff

Not really looked into WBEL at all, but do they work in *exactly* the same way...

When you have hundreds of clients using your software on an OS that you support when you dont actually have the exact OS it's not good... which is why I assume they have purchased it.

Not saying there is OR isn't a difference (as I said, not looked into it) but just out of curiosity..?

Chris

[Dixiesys]

I'm curious about this WBEL will it upgrade RH9? Is there an auto update feature like up2date for it?

[nobaloney]

WBEL is exactly the same as RHEL. Nothing has been added. Nothing has been subtracted except the trademarks.

So I'd say you can find out more on the Red Hat Website (http://www.redhat.com/).

I don't think you can upgrade.

I believe it requires a new installation.

As far as up2date is concerned, read the WBEL faq (http://www.whiteboxlinux.org/faq.html).

Jeff

[jjma]

I think WBEL is "almost" the same as RHEL but with additional devel rpms installed which for some reason the official release did not include.

Their site is here (http://www.whiteboxlinux.org/) . If you need to find information the mailing list seems a good bet.

Jon

[SlashChick]

Originally posted by DirectAdmin Support
Update: We bought Enterprise yesterday, we'll go get a build system within the next week or 2 and should have a beta not too long after that. More realistically, I'd say a Beta in 1-2 months.

John

What do you suggest those of us running DA on RH9 do in the meantime? I'm concerned about running a server platform for which there are no updates.

[ProWebUK]

Fedora works fine so far as an upgrade from rh9... and is possible as a fresh install.....

RHEL is also said to be working although unsupported (same as fedora - although i cant confirm how stable it is with RHEL)

Theres always update services such as progency which allow you to remain with redhat X also.

Chris

[nobaloney]

Originally posted by SlashChick
What do you suggest those of us running DA on RH9 do in the meantime? I'm concerned about running a server platform for which there are no updates.
I strongly suggest staying with the version of RHL you're using now, and getting updates from Progeny Transition Service (URL earlier in this thread) and/or from Fedora Legacy (URL also earlier in this thread).

I do not recommend Fedora as an OS for the hosting environment. My guess is that the Fedora developers themselves will tell you the same thing; you can certainly ask them on the Fedora developers mailing list; you can join here (http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list).

I don't think Fedora is designed to be a stable slow-moving distribution you'd want in an environment where uptime and software stability are the prime considerations.

Jeff